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  1. vicarage
    vicarage May 30, 2013 at 9:47 am |

    For your ambiguous scoring icon, use a shape and pattern that does not occur in the actual cards, say a blob shape full of dots.

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    1. vicarage
      vicarage May 30, 2013 at 9:50 am |

      Didn’t realise circle wasn’t a pattern, so I guess you were trying that, just that I expect circle to be NOT square, star etc, whereas a blob may not be such a strong category

      If half shade doesn’t suggest full/emtpy, then similar problem with dots, unless you can do a gradient dots pattern, which might be hard in such a small icon

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      1. venta
        venta May 30, 2013 at 10:06 am |

        Mm, I’d agree that something less “shapey” would be nice for the non-shape specific icon – maybe what I think of as a “splat” shape?

        I do think that the text-free version is less clear, and also very cluttered-looking. I can understand the appeal of making it text-free, but don’t have any useful suggestions on how to do the “+1” bit cleanly, thus reducing the clutter.

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        1. undying-admin
          undying-admin May 30, 2013 at 10:27 am |

          Yes, I guess the underlying problem is that the scoring system itself is not very elegant. I introduced the “+1” bit because a lot of games ended up tied on the basic scores, but maybe there was a better way of getting round that.

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      2. undying-admin
        undying-admin May 30, 2013 at 10:26 am |

        Mm, I did initially try dots, but it ended up looking like a fainter solid colour: the size is the problem, as you say.

        Good idea about an indistinct shape, a ‘cloud’ type of thing maybe?

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        1. vicarage
          vicarage May 30, 2013 at 10:27 am |

          cloud still a distinct shape, venta’s splat is better

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          1. undying-admin
            undying-admin May 30, 2013 at 10:45 am |

            I’m not sure how clear a parti-coloured fill (or dots, etc) will be on something as spindly as a splat? I guess a chunky-middled one like this: http://www.clker.com/cliparts/t/t/L/u/Z/1/blue-splat-high-res.svg might work.


          2. waistcoatmark
            waistcoatmark May 30, 2013 at 2:30 pm |

            Or an ink drop or pencil tip? Standard icons for color in word-processors and the like


          3. undying-admin
            undying-admin May 30, 2013 at 2:48 pm |

            I like an ink drop, that’s good. Still not sure how best to represent ‘could be solid-colour or hollow’ upon that, but at least it has an area to work with.


  2. venta
    venta May 30, 2013 at 10:08 am |

    I guess these images have a transparent background – and I read my friends’ list on a page with a black background. Boy that was confusing for a while 🙂

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    1. undying-admin
      undying-admin May 30, 2013 at 10:24 am |

      Ah, so they do. Sorry about that! Fixed now 🙂

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  3. bateleur
    bateleur May 30, 2013 at 3:22 pm |

    Having pondered this for a bit and not come up with anything great, my current thinking is that the solid/outline coding is really where the problem arises.

    The way I’d fix this (which is not to say it’s necessarily a recommendation) is to ditch solid and hollow in favour of two patterns. Stripey and spotty, perhaps? This then lets you use solid shapes for all your icons except the pattern icons, which can be circles with the corresponding patterns in.

    Also, I’d be inclined to use ” x3″ in place of ” “. Whilst numerals are sort of alphabetical I think they’re sufficiently widely understood that the improved elegance makes up for the reduced accessibility. (I assume the game will still come with a rulebook?)

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    1. undying-admin
      undying-admin May 30, 2013 at 5:04 pm |

      Great suggestions, thank you! I’ll try those right away. (And yes, there will still be a rulebook, with copious illustrative examples.)

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      1. thecesspit
        thecesspit May 30, 2013 at 5:06 pm |

        I would have just the first item in each scoring, with a generic +1 icon to remind people that longer lines score more (plus noted in rules, of course). That might be cleaner.

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    2. undying-admin
      undying-admin May 30, 2013 at 5:59 pm |

      Excellent, this looks a lot better already I think:

      I’m not sure about ditching the repetition of the symbol, because it is important for people to remember that they must be 3 reds adjacent in a straight line, not just any old reds * 3 somewhere on a row or column. Hopefully that would be intuitively obvious (and so stick in the mind after reading it in the rules), but I had one playtester on Saturday who tried to score (a) three reds separated by other colours, and (b) an elbow-shaped group. So I’m a bit wary unless people feel it looks truly hideous.

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      1. bateleur
        bateleur May 30, 2013 at 6:04 pm |

        I like that apart from the fact that there’s only one dot in each of the circular “dotty shape” icons. I realise they’ll be very small on the cards, but I think without at least two dots it looks a bit like an eyeball!

        because it is important for people to remember that they must be 3 reds adjacent in a straight line, not just any old reds

        Good point – I hadn’t considered that aspect.

        Maybe it would look nicer if you vertically aligned all the ‘=’ and all the score numbers in each column? (And possibly right-justified the rows of things. Not sure.)

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        1. undying-admin
          undying-admin May 30, 2013 at 6:23 pm |

          Mm, I think right-aligned does look a bit better:

          I’ll have a think about the dot pattern. Suspect to get more than one in, they may get unidentifiably tiny. Hmm.

          (And that’s what the striped fill will look like at small size.)

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